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The Salt & Light podcast offers inspiring and insightful conversations with Fourth Church community partners in Chicagoland and beyond. We talk with leaders who are salt and light in public life by making positive contributions to our city, country, and global community. We explore what inspires and challenges them, as well as what they are learning as we partner together for the common good.

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Pastor Joe talks with Ron Bottrell, a congregant who has spent 15 years deploying to disaster sites with Presbyterian Disaster Assistance.

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Pastor Joe talks with Ron Bottrell, a congregant who has spent 15 years deploying to disaster sites with Presbyterian Disaster Assistance.